Wounded boy is brought to local hospital in Quetta after gunmen opened fire on worshippers.
Their only crime was that they are Shia Muslim!!
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Wounded boy is brought to local hospital in Quetta after gunmen opened fire on worshippers.
Their only crime was that they are Shia Muslim!!
damn............so sad man..........like really.........
Why are flooding/spamming the whole forum with the same news over and over.
God that is like at least 10 or more times I have seen the news over and over again.
Do you have some nefarious agenda against Pakistan along with your masters (that you show your love for always) aka Ayatollahs???????
God that is like at least 10 or more times I have seen the news over and over again.
Do you have some nefarious agenda against Pakistan along with your masters (that you show your love for always) aka Ayatollahs???????
| QUOTE (Dashti @ Mar 2 2004, 10:59 PM) |
| Why are flooding/spamming the whole forum with the same news over and over. God that is like at least 10 or more times I have seen the news over and over again. Do you have some nefarious agenda against Pakistan along with your masters (that you show your love for always) aka Ayatollahs??????? |
It is sad that these are the only comments you can bring yourself to make!!
It doesn't matter if this is repeated ten thousand times; it won't be enough because INNOCENT PEOPLE WERE KILLED!
Even if you sympathise with the killers; at least have the human decency to shut up if you don't have anything civilised to say!!!!
Stooopid Jahil Pakis, they go three steps forward and 2 backwards. fukn cunts whoever did this 
| QUOTE (Dashti @ Mar 3 2004, 01:59 AM) |
| Why are flooding/spamming the whole forum with the same news over and over. God that is like at least 10 or more times I have seen the news over and over again. Do you have some nefarious agenda against Pakistan along with your masters (that you show your love for always) aka Ayatollahs??????? |
dashti...
thund kero...
| QUOTE (pakistanzindabaad @ Mar 2 2004, 03:22 PM) |
| dashti... thund kero... |
???
And as we are on this topic, how comes theres no sympathies for all the other innocent muslims that are dieing around the world such as Palestine, Chechnya, Dagestan and many other places.
| QUOTE (kilo_4que @ Mar 2 2004, 11:32 PM) |
| ??? And as we are on this topic, how comes theres no sympathies for all the other innocent muslims that are dieing around the world such as Palestine, Chechnya, Dagestan and many other places. |
kilo;
although you are off topic!!
let me point out; shias are killed by others who call themselves muslim and in the name of islam they kill shias!!
that is the tragedy; muslims killing muslims in the name of Islam!!!
this is what sets this apart from the other cases you mentioned!!
At the end of the day muslims are still killed so what makes shias being killed more significant than sunni muslims other countries. Nevermind who is killing who, but ure emphasising the killings of shias but what about sunni muslims
bhayi sahab...
why the hell do you think we're getting slaughtered today???
it is because of the friggin disunity...
iraq dekha hay???
u know who provided the US info, that soddom had deployable weopons of mass destruction???
the SOBs in the iraqi governing council...
doosra nahin aap ko apnay maartey hain... wake the fuk up and stop the damn sectarian BS...
why the hell do you think we're getting slaughtered today???
it is because of the friggin disunity...
iraq dekha hay???
u know who provided the US info, that soddom had deployable weopons of mass destruction???
the SOBs in the iraqi governing council...
doosra nahin aap ko apnay maartey hain... wake the fuk up and stop the damn sectarian BS...
| QUOTE (kilo_4que @ Mar 2 2004, 11:54 PM) |
| At the end of the day muslims are still killed so what makes shias being killed more significant than sunni muslims other countries. Nevermind who is killing who, but ure emphasising the killings of shias but what about sunni muslims |
It is very sad when ANY muslim get killed anywhere by anyone!!
Please do not go on with this attitude ... INNOCENT PEOPLE TAKING PART IN MOURNING IMAM HUSSAIN (AS) WERE KILLED ... I think we should show them some respect ... please!
These people were NOT attacking anyone or threatning anyone; they were taking part in mourning and were killed by criminals!
I am sure you can respect the loss of their life ...!!
BCs nay saari ghalat info feed ki thi US ko...
i've personally met old iraqi soldiers (refugees in canada) who claimed to have worked in super underground complexes miles under the sands...
saarii BS hay... apni ass ko ziada attractive bananay kay liye ye saaraa dhong rachatey hain...
i've personally met old iraqi soldiers (refugees in canada) who claimed to have worked in super underground complexes miles under the sands...
saarii BS hay... apni ass ko ziada attractive bananay kay liye ye saaraa dhong rachatey hain...
| QUOTE (pakistanzindabaad @ Mar 2 2004, 03:59 PM) |
| doosra nahin aap ko apnay maartey hain... wake the fuk up and stop the damn sectarian BS... |
If this was intended at me then do tell me what is secetarian. What doesnt come into my understanding is the fact that there is no hoo haa about muslims dieing all over the world but as soon as killings occur on innocent people in pakistan then its the nexty big thing. There is nothing secular about it, the only thing is, people such as u lot are sleep and are not waking upto reality. Of course the killings in Quetta are wrong, no one should be planting bombs etc on one another but if we are going to emphasise attacks on shias then it definately is not rational as there are hundreds of muslims being killed all over the world to which no one even utters slight concern.
aray bhaion kisi ki moth hoowi hai tou Allah se duain kero keh Allah unki maghfirat kerai yaar, aap loag yahan per lerhrahai ho.
aur waisai main kilo bhai se totally agree kerta hoon. laikin main yeh naheen kehraha keh vision kuch ghalet kehraha hai
aur waisai main kilo bhai se totally agree kerta hoon. laikin main yeh naheen kehraha keh vision kuch ghalet kehraha hai
aap kia shia ko muslim nahin samajhtay??
what exactly is your complain??
what exactly is your complain??
| QUOTE (pakistanzindabaad @ Mar 2 2004, 04:25 PM) |
| aap kia shia ko muslim nahin samajhtay?? what exactly is your complain?? |
Listen PZ, for one ive been on this forum for a long time now and i know how to express certain views and some views i have i dont like to convey openly in order not to upset others.
Weather I believe in Shias as muslims or not, it has nothing to do with. The fact remains y all the emphasis on shias being attacked and no mention of all the other muslims being killed. If those that believe in shias as muslims like to make clear that they are muslims being killed then y dont they voice their oppinion for every muslim.
Ure twisting the subject here mate and this is the way that thread turn into flames. If i made clear that i dont believe in shias as muslims that wud be a seperate issue.
But look back and do tell me once where someone has voiced concern over muslims being killed else where.
N pls reply in english as my urdu is not upto scratch
"Ure twisting the subject here mate and this is the way that thread turn into flames. If i made clear that i dont believe in shias as muslims that wud be a seperate issue."
nahin actually it is the heart of the matter... the comments you gave pretty much gave away your position on the matter...
i seriously suggest you go to whoever you consider a real religous authority and ask him what specific things put a man outside islam...
then ask him about the penalty for calling a muslim, a non muslim...
sir jee, you do not have the right to call a kafir; a kafir...
islam ki saari humanities ko aap nay mutti main milla diya hay 5 mins main....
kuch khuda kaa khauf karain...
nahin actually it is the heart of the matter... the comments you gave pretty much gave away your position on the matter...
i seriously suggest you go to whoever you consider a real religous authority and ask him what specific things put a man outside islam...
then ask him about the penalty for calling a muslim, a non muslim...
sir jee, you do not have the right to call a kafir; a kafir...
islam ki saari humanities ko aap nay mutti main milla diya hay 5 mins main....
kuch khuda kaa khauf karain...
that is the tragedy; muslims killing muslims in the name of Islam!!!
The Lashkar-e-Jhangvi / Sipah-e-Sahaba types dont consider Shia as Muslim..that is the problem!
The Lashkar-e-Jhangvi / Sipah-e-Sahaba types dont consider Shia as Muslim..that is the problem!
| QUOTE (pakistanzindabaad @ Mar 2 2004, 04:42 PM) |
| "Ure twisting the subject here mate and this is the way that thread turn into flames. If i made clear that i dont believe in shias as muslims that wud be a seperate issue." nahin actually it is the heart of the matter... the comments you gave pretty much gave away your position on the matter... i seriously suggest you go to whoever you consider a real religous authority and ask him what specific things put a man outside islam... then ask him about the penalty for calling a muslim, a non muslim... sir jee, you do not have the right to call a kafir; a kafir... islam ki saari humanities ko aap nay mutti main milla diya hay 5 mins main.... kuch khuda kaa khauf karain... |
See thats the thing with you, your asuming without knowing.
And seen as you are WANTING me to say this, i shall. I personally dont believe in shias as Muslims for hundreds of reasons which i would not like to discuss as it would go further into flames unless one wants to discuss with me via msn im more than willing to participate.
But here comes ure ignorance PZ, for someone to say that so and so is not a muslim is NOT the same thing as calling them Kafir. I had a huge discussion on this before as to why u shouldnt call someone a kafir just cos they aint muslim. Reason being that i that person embraces islam prior to death, then ure held liable ofr all his bad deeds as u called him kafir. A non muslim is an appropriate word to use. So without justification u ASUMEd i believe in them as Kafir.
Now u do Khuda ka khauf brother as u are judging a book by its cover.
-------
Nevertheless PZ, i am more than willing to discuss my views on shias via msn on kilo_4que@hotmail.com
But my views go to such an extent that "may Allah give them ajar" n nothing further.
And yes i do condemn these attacks for a start.
| QUOTE (flash @ Mar 2 2004, 04:45 PM) |
| that is the tragedy; muslims killing muslims in the name of Islam!!! The Lashkar-e-Jhangvi / Sipah-e-Sahaba types dont consider Shia as Muslim..that is the problem! |
So ure saying anyone that doesnt regard them as muslims is one of them huh.
"i seriously suggest you go to whoever you consider a real religous authority and ask him what specific things put a man outside islam...
then ask him about the penalty for calling a muslim, a non muslim..."
i never said that u called them a kafir.... i've talked to muftis on the subject....
those ppl are the religious authorities on islam... ye aap key local mullay nahin...
suggest u do farther research on the subject... do not read stuff off of the internet...
i'll talk to u guys later... right now; i gtg...
the law as to sectarian thing stands...
then ask him about the penalty for calling a muslim, a non muslim..."
i never said that u called them a kafir.... i've talked to muftis on the subject....
those ppl are the religious authorities on islam... ye aap key local mullay nahin...
suggest u do farther research on the subject... do not read stuff off of the internet...
i'll talk to u guys later... right now; i gtg...
the law as to sectarian thing stands...
Sunni Muslim kill shias...Shia Muslims kill Sunnis...........none is less than the other in being cruel
vision there are two sides to the story.
vision there are two sides to the story.
| QUOTE (pakistanzindabaad @ Mar 2 2004, 04:54 PM) |
| "i seriously suggest you go to whoever you consider a real religous authority and ask him what specific things put a man outside islam... then ask him about the penalty for calling a muslim, a non muslim..." i never said that u called them a kafir.... i've talked to muftis on the subject.... those ppl are the religious authorities on islam... ye aap key local mullay nahin... suggest u do farther research on the subject... do not read stuff off of the internet... i'll talk to u guys later... right now; i gtg... the law as to sectarian thing stands... |
I just cant believe how u just come up with such a lame remark PZ, specially u.
Just cos i dont believe in Shias as muslims makes me a mullah now eh. Mate i know Muftis too. U probably went to one of these shias or maybe u are a shia thats y im touching a nerve of urs.
Thats it uve shown that ure whole point was to stir up a flame. O ullu dey pattey, stop going to ure Mullah shiaz and go to a proper mufti and then come back and call me mullah.
How can u call them muslims when they contradict the teachings of islam, how can u call them muslims when they call all the khalifahs selfish other than Ali. unless u believe in this, then u beliveve they are muslims.
Trying to tell me about whos muslim and whos not. Just cos ure a mod doesnt make u a Mufti a kid.
U need to do the research as i have enough knowledge on this subject.
N btw, i detest all islamic articles on internet for a start as they can all have been mocked.
Abdullah bin Amar (RA) relates that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said "Surely things will happen to my people as happened earlier to Israelites, they will resemble each other like one shoe in a pair resembles the other to the extent that if anyone among the Israelites has openly committed adultery to his mother there will be some who will do this in my Ummah as well, verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one." The companions asked, 'Who are they O Messenger of Allah,' Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "They are those who will be like me and my companions."
Please dont get into this SHIA vs SUNNI mess. It will create more hatred between Pakistanis as Muslims.
Just follow what you think is right..........and follow it AFTER DOING AS MUCH RESEARCH AND JUDGE IT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FOR YOURSELF!!!!!
so that on the last day u have no excuse.
Please dont get into this SHIA vs SUNNI mess. It will create more hatred between Pakistanis as Muslims.
Just follow what you think is right..........and follow it AFTER DOING AS MUCH RESEARCH AND JUDGE IT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FOR YOURSELF!!!!!
so that on the last day u have no excuse.
| QUOTE (tauseef_1981 @ Mar 2 2004, 05:14 PM) |
| Abdullah bin Amar (RA) relates that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said "Surely things will happen to my people as happened earlier to Israelites, they will resemble each other like one shoe in a pair resembles the other to the extent that if anyone among the Israelites has openly committed adultery to his mother there will be some who will do this in my Ummah as well, verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one." The companions asked, 'Who are they O Messenger of Allah,' Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "They are those who will be like me and my companions." Please dont get into this SHIA vs SUNNI mess. It will create more hatred between Pakistanis as Muslims. Just follow what you think is right..........and follow it AFTER DOING AS MUCH RESEARCH AND JUDGE IT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FOR YOURSELF!!!!! so that on the last day u have no excuse. |
But u dont understand bro, this was the last thing i expected to do is talk about y shiaz are not muslims. PZ should have acted more professionally seen as he is a mod and he should have provoked this discussion into this corner. My initial point was very clear and very rational to which i dont think anyone would have argued. It is a valid point that no one mentions the killings of other muslims in other parts of the world. And here comes Mr PZ calling me mullah and forcing my view of shias
i would kill these jahil people who think killing others will have a huge reward from Allah 
| QUOTE (mayhemfrommars @ Mar 2 2004, 05:41 PM) |
| i would kill these jahil people who think killing others will have a huge reward from Allah |
So very true
This thread shows... more killing is to be expected every year.
| QUOTE (Muzzle flash67 @ Mar 2 2004, 05:45 PM) |
| This thread shows... more killing is to be expected every year. |
Well it is yaar. Look over so may years, shiaz, sunnis have been killed and theres been no solution to it as of yet.
But this is not present only in pakistan but everywhere else in the world
oai tauseef paaji, i though in muslims there are 72 firqas
this is the first time ive read in my life that Mohammad (SAW) said there will be 73 firqas among muslims
i m shocked
this is the first time ive read in my life that Mohammad (SAW) said there will be 73 firqas among muslims
i m shocked
| QUOTE |
| sir jee, you do not have the right to call a kafir; a kafir |
yaar i totally agree with this...
waisai personaly main kisi bhee firqay waalai ko non muslim naheen kehta. tumhay kya pata keh kis benday ko Allah se kitnee mohabbat hai dilsey. ager firz kero keh aik insaan qaadianion main paidaa hoowa hai tou woh tou yeh hi samjhay ga na keh qadiani sahee hain, laikin jitna keh mujhay maaloom hai keh ager insaan Qur'an kareem per poora yaqeen kerta hai aur Allah ki zaath per, phir woh muselmaan hai
Last thing we want on this board is respected members calling each other names based on sectarian differences. 
Last time I checked, the govt. of pakistan considers both shia and sunni as muslims. Pakistan was created for muslims of all sects, not just for sunnis. Heck, quaid-e-azam himself was a shia muslim.
Last time I checked, the govt. of pakistan considers both shia and sunni as muslims. Pakistan was created for muslims of all sects, not just for sunnis. Heck, quaid-e-azam himself was a shia muslim.
| QUOTE (syed alizaidi @ Mar 2 2004, 06:29 PM) |
| Last thing we want on this board is respected members calling each other names based on sectarian differences. Last time I checked, the govt. of pakistan considers both shia and sunni as muslims. Pakistan was created for muslims of all sects, not just for sunnis. Heck, quaid-e-azam himself was a shia muslim. |
yup but PZ finds this an ussue worth debating where as i was condeming the killings but emphasising a broader view
I request this topic to be closed. The poor people are dying who are
you to make a "thamasha" out of it.
Man vision your THE most fasadi
person on this whole board.
you to make a "thamasha" out of it.
Man vision your THE most fasadiperson on this whole board.
A good request 
I second it!
I second it!
Still going??????? 
| QUOTE (JTF-2 HOPE @ Mar 3 2004, 02:38 AM) |
| I request this topic to be closed. The poor people are dying who are you to make a "thamasha" out of it. Man vision your THE most fasadiperson on this whole board. |
kilo;
if you have the courage, I invite you to PM me, I'll send you my e-mail address and then we can discuss your beliefs about the shias out of this forum!
But, somehow, I am sure you will NOT accept my INVITATION because I doubt you will have the bravery or courage to face ONE real shia in a discussion!
But, the invitation is open!
As far as JTF-2 goes;
who is calling the othet non-muslim in this thread??? Is it me???
I am simply trying to show people what Muslims do to Muslims in the name of Islam!!!
You are the FASADI here!!
I would like to point out once again, although wherever a muslim is killed, it is a sad and condemnable act, these cases are different because these cases are the only ones where
MUSLIMS are being killed by OTHER MUSLIMS; IN THE NAME OF ISLAM!!
If you can't see the tragedy in this, I think you must be intentionally trying NOT to look!!
yes this if fuc$in stupid, just like our pashtos. the pashto chiefs want 10% of needle gas, but they won't allow schools to be built, we need schools that's all and a fu@kin army battalion to keep them in their place who the hell are they to ask us for 10%!? SCHOOLS WE NEED THEM
Also does Iran murder Sunni's?
Also does Iran murder Sunni's?
zetsui;
do not change the topic by talking about Iran!!!
and then, the answer is NO!!!!!!!!!
do not change the topic by talking about Iran!!!
and then, the answer is NO!!!!!!!!!
MODS plz close this topic.
kilo, the problem is just what we see here today....
bacha jee; you either do not know about your own religion or you believe in ignoring parts of it... unlike u, i do know about my religion...
there is a fixed list of things that make u a non muslim...
and then i suggest you apologise to vision or believe you me; i will do my utmost to get u out of here...
to this day not even the staunchest of saudi has had the crass idiocy to declare all shias as non muslims... this idiotic trait is only found among the chauldron of sects of pakistan using analogies of ahadith to justify the most idiotic theories... bacha jee, bukhari alone contains over 600,000 ahadith... can you even imagine the infinite divergent paths, if you start using your own analogies and theories on ahadith??? the people who tried to limit sunni islam to four schools of thought knew what they were talking about... the reason for it is that there is no limits to idiocy on earth... saari dunya sakoon main hay... only in pakistan have we allowed the release of this demon and now every idiot with a hadith book makes his own sect...
you're probably using stuff from ahle sunnah.... sir jee, according to those guys everyone, from the wahabis to the deobandis or the barelvis are non muslim.... shia to bohut dooor ki baat hay.... btw, i'm sunni; but i seriously do not understand why i should even be required to make that statement....
http://muttaqun.com/kuf.html
this is what a fatwa of a scholar at al azhar has to say
"2) The Ja'fari school of thought, which is also known as "al-Shia al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" (i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi'ites) is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought. Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine Law (Shari'ah) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible to the "non-Mujtahid" to follow them and to accord with their teaching whether in worship (Ibadaat) or transactions (Mu'amilaat)."
http://www.islamfortoday.com/shia.htm
i suggest you also go through this site...
http://www.oneummah.net
you do know the punishment for trying to sow sedition...
bacha jee; you either do not know about your own religion or you believe in ignoring parts of it... unlike u, i do know about my religion...
there is a fixed list of things that make u a non muslim...
and then i suggest you apologise to vision or believe you me; i will do my utmost to get u out of here...
to this day not even the staunchest of saudi has had the crass idiocy to declare all shias as non muslims... this idiotic trait is only found among the chauldron of sects of pakistan using analogies of ahadith to justify the most idiotic theories... bacha jee, bukhari alone contains over 600,000 ahadith... can you even imagine the infinite divergent paths, if you start using your own analogies and theories on ahadith??? the people who tried to limit sunni islam to four schools of thought knew what they were talking about... the reason for it is that there is no limits to idiocy on earth... saari dunya sakoon main hay... only in pakistan have we allowed the release of this demon and now every idiot with a hadith book makes his own sect...
you're probably using stuff from ahle sunnah.... sir jee, according to those guys everyone, from the wahabis to the deobandis or the barelvis are non muslim.... shia to bohut dooor ki baat hay.... btw, i'm sunni; but i seriously do not understand why i should even be required to make that statement....
http://muttaqun.com/kuf.html
this is what a fatwa of a scholar at al azhar has to say
"2) The Ja'fari school of thought, which is also known as "al-Shia al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" (i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi'ites) is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought. Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine Law (Shari'ah) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible to the "non-Mujtahid" to follow them and to accord with their teaching whether in worship (Ibadaat) or transactions (Mu'amilaat)."
http://www.islamfortoday.com/shia.htm
i suggest you also go through this site...
http://www.oneummah.net
you do know the punishment for trying to sow sedition...
| QUOTE (pakistanzindabaad @ Mar 3 2004, 03:22 AM) |
| kilo, the problem is just what we see here today.... bacha jee; you either do not know about your own religion or you believe in ignoring parts of it... unlike u, i do know about my religion... there is a fixed list of things that make u a non muslim... and then i suggest you apologise to vision or believe you me; i will do my utmost to get u out of here... to this day not even the staunchest of saudi has had the crass idiocy to declare all shias as non muslims... this idiotic trait is only found among the chauldron of sects of pakistan using analogies of ahadith to justify the most idiotic theories... bacha jee, bukhari alone contains over 600,000 ahadith... can you even imagine the infinite divergent paths, if you start using your own analogies and theories on ahadith??? the people who tried to limit sunni islam to four schools of thought knew what they were talking about... the reason for it is that there is no limits to idiocy on earth... saari dunya sakoon main hay... only in pakistan have we allowed the release of this demon and now every idiot with a hadith book makes his own sect... you're probably using stuff from ahle sunnah.... sir jee, according to those guys everyone, from the wahabis to the deobandis or the barelvis are non muslim.... shia to bohut dooor ki baat hay.... btw, i'm sunni; but i seriously do not understand why i should even be required to make that statement.... http://muttaqun.com/kuf.html this is what a fatwa of a scholar at al azhar has to say "2) The Ja'fari school of thought, which is also known as "al-Shia al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" (i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi'ites) is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought. Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine Law (Shari'ah) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible to the "non-Mujtahid" to follow them and to accord with their teaching whether in worship (Ibadaat) or transactions (Mu'amilaat)." http://www.islamfortoday.com/shia.htm i suggest you also go through this site... http://www.oneummah.net you do know the punishment for trying to sow sedition... |
Guess wot, i didnt bother reading ure reply cos it was all gibberish as soon as i saw ure threat i was so moved ooo.
Now regarding religion, I have all the knowledge it needs to prove u wrong but ure such a baffoon that u twisted this whole thread.
I do not need to appologise to any cos this isnot ure baap ka gar.
Furthermore, Vision, I am more than willing to talk to u mate. I didnt want to spill out my personal views for the honest reason that I knew id upset yoou but nevertheless, this good mod of ours did provoke me to say so.
Hence I shall definately chat to u as u believe ureself as a strong shia where as i believe ma self as being a strong Sunni.
O and PZ, do try to get me out of here, id love to see cos u have no arguement to kick me out of here, so tudloo little child
P.S. Vision, my msn is kilo_4que@hotmail.com. I shall be available to chat to you from 4:30-5:30 and following 8:00 onwards.
Cheers
| QUOTE (pakistanzindabaad @ Mar 3 2004, 03:22 AM) |
| kilo, the problem is just what we see here today.... bacha jee; you either do not know about your own religion or you believe in ignoring parts of it... unlike u, i do know about my religion... there is a fixed list of things that make u a non muslim... and then i suggest you apologise to vision or believe you me; i will do my utmost to get u out of here... to this day not even the staunchest of saudi has had the crass idiocy to declare all shias as non muslims... this idiotic trait is only found among the chauldron of sects of pakistan using analogies of ahadith to justify the most idiotic theories... bacha jee, bukhari alone contains over 600,000 ahadith... can you even imagine the infinite divergent paths, if you start using your own analogies and theories on ahadith??? the people who tried to limit sunni islam to four schools of thought knew what they were talking about... the reason for it is that there is no limits to idiocy on earth... saari dunya sakoon main hay... only in pakistan have we allowed the release of this demon and now every idiot with a hadith book makes his own sect... you're probably using stuff from ahle sunnah.... sir jee, according to those guys everyone, from the wahabis to the deobandis or the barelvis are non muslim.... shia to bohut dooor ki baat hay.... btw, i'm sunni; but i seriously do not understand why i should even be required to make that statement.... http://muttaqun.com/kuf.html this is what a fatwa of a scholar at al azhar has to say "2) The Ja'fari school of thought, which is also known as "al-Shia al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" (i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi'ites) is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought. Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine Law (Shari'ah) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible to the "non-Mujtahid" to follow them and to accord with their teaching whether in worship (Ibadaat) or transactions (Mu'amilaat)." http://www.islamfortoday.com/shia.htm i suggest you also go through this site... http://www.oneummah.net you do know the punishment for trying to sow sedition... |
In fact PZ I have looked at ure reply again and I have seen what uve quoted to which id like to tell u that I do not back internet sources as solid islamic evidence.
Gimme solid proof via other means i.e. books and not some story books u once read as a child
"I have seen what uve quoted to which id like to tell u that I do not back internet sources as solid islamic evidence."
i've posted an authority from al azhar university...
if you think such sources as wrong then there isnt anything that you will accept...
sirkaar... let me make something crystal clear...
if any of the mods wants you gone; you will be gone...
your argument that shias are not muslim is the actual root of the problem which prevails in pakistan... it is the core of this argument... saying that it is not relevant is BS, cause the people who commit these crimes are doing so becuase they share your belief that the shia are not muslim...
i'm not steering the argument in any direction... you are the one who said that you do not consider shias as muslim... i quote a scholar from al azhar, who's telling u otherwise and you call him a fake source... oye kidher sey aye ho bhayi?? kia age hay aap ki and who the hell taught you this hate???
you are simply refusing to talk about the subject openly (what do you have to hide??)... the only argument you bring forward is that i'm a shia...
i'm not a shia, but i would have a friggin huuge problem if someone called me a nonmuslim because i'm shia or a deobandi or a brelvi...
on what basis are you calling the shia non muslim?? saamnay baat kero...
who're the people who're propagating this crap??
i've posted an authority from al azhar university...
if you think such sources as wrong then there isnt anything that you will accept...
sirkaar... let me make something crystal clear...
if any of the mods wants you gone; you will be gone...
your argument that shias are not muslim is the actual root of the problem which prevails in pakistan... it is the core of this argument... saying that it is not relevant is BS, cause the people who commit these crimes are doing so becuase they share your belief that the shia are not muslim...
i'm not steering the argument in any direction... you are the one who said that you do not consider shias as muslim... i quote a scholar from al azhar, who's telling u otherwise and you call him a fake source... oye kidher sey aye ho bhayi?? kia age hay aap ki and who the hell taught you this hate???
you are simply refusing to talk about the subject openly (what do you have to hide??)... the only argument you bring forward is that i'm a shia...
i'm not a shia, but i would have a friggin huuge problem if someone called me a nonmuslim because i'm shia or a deobandi or a brelvi...
on what basis are you calling the shia non muslim?? saamnay baat kero...
who're the people who're propagating this crap??
kilo;
brother I've added you to my msn mesenger; hope you add me too!
we'll both share our views there!
see you there!
brother I've added you to my msn mesenger; hope you add me too!
we'll both share our views there!
see you there!
By the way; did you guys see the TV pictures that were recorded of the attack in Quetta??
Look at it first and then if you do not feel sympathy for those innocent people who were simply walking and then they were showered with bullets; you have no heart!!!
Man; it was like a war; the automatic guns kept firing and killing and killing and ...
sad, truly sad!!
Look at it first and then if you do not feel sympathy for those innocent people who were simply walking and then they were showered with bullets; you have no heart!!!
Man; it was like a war; the automatic guns kept firing and killing and killing and ...
sad, truly sad!!
| QUOTE (visioninthedark @ Mar 3 2004, 06:59 AM) |
| kilo; brother I've added you to my msn mesenger; hope you add me too! we'll both share our views there! see you there! |
Not a problem brother
And PZ, ure a mod and u want me out rite. Well lets see, get me out of here then sir. First lets see how far u go with this statement first.
Secondly, I have all the reasoning behind my statement which i dont want to post public as it will end up as a flame with people being called mullahs etc hence ure mentality.
My reason is not generally due to a group of people that say so, it is my own understanding with evidence and with discussion of many scholars. And definately ure the one that steared this discussion cos initially i did not say they arent muslims as i knew the outcome but as u insisted i was provoked to spill the beans.
This i believe is one thing as a mod u are supposed to avoid i believe and instead u elevated it.
So again, bye bye little child, n dont worry, i shall be talking to Vision in private and we are gona discuss many issues. So if im accepting to talk to a Shia, then speaking public wud not be a problem but im looking ahead at the outcome which u fail to understand and again are trying to diverge this discussion into a worse scenario.
| QUOTE (visioninthedark @ Mar 3 2004, 07:13 AM) |
| By the way; did you guys see the TV pictures that were recorded of the attack in Quetta?? Look at it first and then if you do not feel sympathy for those innocent people who were simply walking and then they were showered with bullets; you have no heart!!! Man; it was like a war; the automatic guns kept firing and killing and killing and ... sad, truly sad!! |
Of course it is a very sombre mood, it is most definately not on and it most definately is not islamic. This goes for suicide bombings on innocent people in places like Israel too where jews are killed for being jew and other in other parts of the world
kilo;
u still havn't added me to your messenger; I'm waiting!!
u still havn't added me to your messenger; I'm waiting!!
| QUOTE (visioninthedark @ Mar 3 2004, 08:11 AM) |
| kilo; u still havn't added me to your messenger; I'm waiting!! |
O lol yara i sent u an email telling u havent got access to msn at work. When i get home later on i shall add u.
O pappe wot is the jaldi about it, we shall discuss our views in depth for a while later on insha'allah
So later on bro, ill holla
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