http://clearinghouse.infovlad.net/showthread.php?t=8177

DUDE, NO MATTER HOW MANY CIVILIANS YOUR ENEMIES KILL (NOT THAT I THINK AMERICANS PER SAY ARE OUR ENEMIES, WE MUSLIMS ARE OUR OWN ENEMIES) ISLAM DOES NOT NOT NOT NOT AND BILLION TIMES NOT ALLOWS YOU TO GRAB A BOMB AND KILL YOUR ENEMIES' CIVILIANS.

THIS IS EMOTIONAL REACTION BUT USING ISLAM TO JUSTIFY THE FOLLOWING: OH, MAN THESE GUYS ARE KILLING OUR "MUSLIM BROTHERS" IN OUR FELLOW MUSLIM COUNTRIES, THUS I WILL GRAB A BOMB AND BLOW UP BUSES AND TRAINS THAT HAVE CIVILIANS IN THEM.

IS THIS WHAT OUR ISLAM TEACHES US: NO, NO AND BIG TIME NO. ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT RATIONAL AND LOGIC. THE SECOND AND DAY WHEN YOU START TO LOOSE RATIONALITY AND LOGIC THINKING, THEN YOU HAVE LEFT OUT ISLAM FROM YOUR MIND.

IT IS MUSLIMS LIKE YOU (AND JAHIL TALABAN + AL-QAEDA) LIKE MUSLIMS WHO REALLLY NEED TO STUDY QURAN AND SUNNAH (WAY OF LIFE OF MUHAMMAD PBUH) IN ITS TRUE SPIRIT.

Just think about it: Would Prophet Muhammad PBUH would allow his army and companions to kill children, women and innocent civilians of his utmost enemies (the same enemy who may have killed family members of Muhammad's PBUH's companions). Logic says NO and this is exactly what coompanions and Prophet did:

THEY ONLY WAGED WAR AGAINST THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN KILLING MUSLIMS AND AFTER BATTLES WERE OVER, THEY (OUR TRUE MUSLIM ARMIES) WERE MERCIFUL AND DID NOT EXECUTE THE ENEMY ARMIES.

You know what is Jahalat and NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT ISLAM TRUELY IS, IT IS THE FOLLOWING:

JAHALT IS WHEN THESE DUMB TALABAN +AL-QAEDA MOTHER-AFFEEERS KIDNAP SOME RANDOM JEW, OR SOUTH-KOREAN CIVILIANS AND GERMAN ENGINEERS FROM STREETS AND KILL THEM (OR BEHEAD THEM) AND MAKE VIDEOS OF THERE BRUTAL ACTS AND JUSTIFY THESE KILLINGS OF CIVILIANS IN THE NAME OF OUR DIVINE GOD AND TEACHINGS OF OUR PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH).

I condemn these bastards who kill CIVILIANS in the name of the DIVINE. SO SHOULD YOU.

NEVER EVER TRY TO JUSTIFY SUICIDE BOMBS ( AND THOSE SUICIDE BOMBERS WHO KILL CIVILIANS) BY USING SUCH VIDEOS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS BEING KILLED.

If americans are DELIBERATELY killing civilians, then only wage war against SOLDIERS and SOLDIERS ONLY.

DO NOT BECOME BLIND AND START KILLING RANDOM INNOCENT U.S. CIVILIANS OR ANY CIVILIANS.

it is at these harsh times when you loose a family member ( a civilan ) by other forces that REAL TEST OF ISLAM AND HOW MUCH YOU UNDERSTAND THE ESSENCE OF ISLAM COMES INTO PLAY.

SO WAKE UP MY BROTHER AND START UNDERSTANDING THE ESSENCE OF ISLAM. MAY ALLAH TALLAH GUIDE YOU, ME AND ALL OF US. AMEEN.

remember, Islam is religion of PEACE (AND I MEAN EVERY WORD OF IT, it is not a punch line that i am trying to use). Islam NEVER ALLOWS ANY MUSLIM to kill INNOCENT civilians and ISLAM only allows you to wage WAR AS A LAST RESORT AGAINT ONLY THOSE AND ONLY THOSE who are involved in killing your loved ones.

I hope you have understood this lesson. If I am wrong, then write your reasoning with reason and if your rational seems logical, then I will willingly accept your logic.

dude cool down i just posted tht vedio i never posted a comment..........

i do understand tht most of jihadis outfits have their own vested interests and are wrong in wht they are doing in the name of jihad but i think one should go for jihad sincerely and only for the glory of Islam and for helping muslim brother against their enemies......one will be asked abt his action on the day of judgment so it doesnt matter if the jihadi organization one is associated with is doing something wrong in the name of islam.......one is accountable for his own action....u do understand tht going for jihad is not a one man show one need some resources and for that one has to join a jihadi outfit ...watch wht u r doing coz tht matter n u will be held accontable only n only for tht......hope u get my point

Dude, miracle of nature, two mind dont think that same way about the same event. nobody is making excuses for anyone but when #### happens everyone reflects differently. some people watch porns and become perverts, other throw up watching it. would you be kind enough to forward you advise to US soldiers also that they shouldn't rape woman and kill childern, or you are so low at self esteem, if you are a muslim, that you rant only muslims. I know many Muslims in the west who hate muslims just because the act of these few had made their otherwise comfortable life uncomfortable. and if you are non-muslim, i wont expect anything less from you.

Alhumdulilallah, I am a muslim.

I am no fan of U.S soldiers or our so called "Jihadi outfits" in Iraq who are waging "their perverted version of Jihad" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If U.S. soldiers are raping Iraqis (mind you, only a minorsity may do these things as well), then yes you must act against them, but MY POINT IS FOR GOD'S SAKE, ONLY ACT AGAINST ONLY THOSE (WHETHER YOUR FELLOW MUSLIMS OR NON-MUSLIMS) AND NOT ANY CIVILIANS.

When these so called "fighters of God" are killing innocent fellow muslims because they are "shia" muslims or behaeading innocent people just because they came from America or Engand, then THIS IS NO JIHAD.

This is what you call crimes BEING COMMITTED IN THE NAME OF THE DIVINE.

Trust me VAST MAJORITY OF THESE "SO CALLED GOOD MUSLIMS" WHO ARE WAGING "THEIR VERSION OF JIHAD" IN IRAQ + AFGHANISTAN DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE PROPER SENSE IN WHICH TO WAGE JIHAD.

THESE BASTARDS END UP KILLING CIVILIANS FOR THE MOST PART, and not THAT THESE GUYS ATTACK CIVILANS BY MISTAKE, THEY DELIBERATLEY ATTACK FELLOW MUSLIM OR NON-MUSLIMS CIVILAINS.

THE POINT IS AS FOLLOWS: IF YOUR ENENMIES ARE COMMITTING INJUSTICE, WHY THE HECK WE (MUSLIMS) HAVE TO COMMITT THE SAME INJUSTICE BY KILLING CIVILIANS IN RETURN.

MAY ALLAH TALLH GIVE YOU, ME AND ALL OF US MUSLIMS TO TRUELY UNDERSTAND THE TRUE MEANING OF ISLAM. AMEEN.

qure0013 .... I agree with your posts - thanks.

P.S.

One request - can you please type in normal letters and not capital letters since capital letters are considered on all internet services to mean that the writer is raising his voice within the message. Thanks.

When you give criticism please give us the solution too.

Could you please enlighten us as to how these iraqi groups should wage their jihad and please give us evidence as to why your version of the resistance would be better.

Thank you for agreeing with me. I Thank Allah that there are people like you who understand what my point is.

Yes, I will write in lower case letters from now on. Thank you for letting me know what upper case letters mean.

What more evidence than you need than the Sunnah (way of life of Prohphet Muhammad PBUH)!!! Mohammad PBUH and his companions waged war against only those who caused direct demage to them and their families. Muhammad's armies and his companions never kidnapped the families of their enemies (families that had nothing to do with the wars that their men waged against Islam) and started to kill them. The Prophets's armies would not attack civilans and kill them, just because these civilians belonged to enemy camp.

What I mean is that you should never kill civilians of any kind (even if the civilains belong to the enemy camp).

The Iraqis should only and only attack U.S. soldiers if they want. These alqeda bunch with thier corrupted version of Islam have declared shias as non-muslims and say that Islam allows them to kill shais. This, my friend is not Islam at all.

Shia militias killing Sunnis, and Sunni militias killing Shias and Al-qeada killing civilans with massive car bombs. This is not Jihad or Islam.

Simple implementable message: Stop killing civilians. This is all the jihadi outfits need to. Killing of innocence is one of the greatest of sins in Islam and Allah Tallah dislikes the killing of innocent people.

Now you might ask: Well Americans or Israelis are killing civilinas every day, so Talban + al-qaeda killing muslim civilains + western civilains is ok.

NO, no and no. Let your enemy kill your civilans, BUT you must not kill civilans in retaliation. If you do, then you are not waging TRUE Jihad. The true test of your knowledge of Islam and Taqwa comes at the harshest of times. It is at the harsh times that we must not let go of true teachings of Islam and follow its true spirit.

In my opinion (you are welcome to disagree) true test of Islam is at following scanario or example: A deliberate missile attack or carpet bombing by by israelis kills your families and entire towns of civilans, and you are a freedom fighter waging war agaisnt Israel to gain indepence of Palestine. Now, of course emotion will come over you and you and I will be hungrey for revenge and eye for an eye. and these emotions are fine because we have lost our mothers and fathers in the bombing.

My first blind reaction (and a normal reaction by normal human beings) is to go at night in isralei towns and kidnap the family memebrs of the Israli solderis and bring them in mountains and kill them brutally. But is this the correct ISLAMIC reaction. No, no and no way. You must pray to Allah Tallah at this moment and ask Allah Tallah for guidance and study the SUNNAH of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

What the correct reaction is according to Islam is as follows: Be patient (For Allah Tallah is with those who have patience) and command your troops to hold their nerves and NOT to attack enemy civilans in return. Then you must patiently make a plan to attack your enemy soldiers or security forces and THEM only (nothing more, nothing less). After battle, God commands muslim armies to be merciful and show mercy to your enemy. After battle, if your enemy surrenders, then keep them as captive and not to kill a enemy soldier who has surrended to you.

To be honest of you, if I was a leader of the freedom fighters: I would make a video of the captive and surrendered solderis and tell the world that I have captured your soldiers and tell the world that I am leeting your soldiers go. I would release them as a sign of mercy towards the captive soldiers.

I know it sounds a bit theoretical right! My muslim brother, it is not. This is what true Islam tells us what to do. Never, ever kill civilians. Remember Islam is all about Logic and Rational. It is at darkest of times in your life (when terrible things happen to you is when REAL test of Islam and its true lessons tests us muslims). It is too bad that vast majority of muslims give in to emotions of dark times of their lives and end up doing the most horrific and UNISLMAIC things.

Please correct me my fellow muslim brothers, if I have said anything contrary to Islam. I am, by no means any scholar. Just a normal guy like you fellow muslims, trying to understand the true essence of Islam.

May Allah Tallah gives me, you and all of us muslims to truely undertand the true essence of Islam. Ameen. Ameen.

P.S.

This is the way I think how it should be done. I hope brother you have understood my point of view. Please share your insight and TRUEly let me know what you think. Let us work together to understand each other well enough, so we both know where our mistakes lie, and Inshallah we should try to correct our mistakes. Thanks

i dont understand one thing, how can people sitting thousands of miles away from iraq who sit at the comfort of their homes and then come to internet forums and give speeches of how Muslims are killing each other and how Muslims are doing suicide bombings in Mosques, how do they knw that the bomb which has expolded in a Mosque or market in Baghdad is a suicide attack? just coz whenever there is an expolsion the whole media rants suicide suicide? just coz the media has said that Muslims killed thousands of cilillians in 9/11 some people rant the same thing?

i dont understand one thing, irrespective of the differences amongst Muslims, who (Muslim) would bomb a Mosque in which the decsendants of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) are burried? who would bomb its golden dome irrespective of his sect? NO MUSLIM, even in his worst state of mind would ever think of doing that, specially not in Iraq, where Shias and Sunnis have coexisted for hundreds of years. yet the very Mosque in which the descendants of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) were burried saw an explosion. who benefits from this so called sectarian bombings? no other than the US, whos only excuse to stay in Iraq is the so called instability due to sectarian violence!

Dude, I think you need to stop drinking and look and study muslim history. Right after the Prohphet Muhammad's death PBUH, 3 of the 4 caliphas were assisnated within span of 30 years after Muhammad's PBUH's death (by fellow muslims). The grandchildren of Prophet Muhammad PBUH were assisnated by fellow muslims.

These assisnated personalties had lived during the life time of the Prohphet and knew Prophet Muhammad PBUH personally.

So people who assisnated these Great muslims were muslims themselves and these muslims who murdered these personalities probably also knew Prophet and prayed behind the prophet and his companions.

So why can't misguided muslims of TODAY'S times can bomb MOSQUES (even if Prophet's relatives burial mosques) for MONETARY REASON.?

YES, MISQGUIDED MUSLIMS of today indeed can blow up mosques and people in IRAQ are doing exactly that. Shias are blowing up sunni mosques and visa-versa.

THE STUPID ALQAEDA have declared SHIAS as Wajey khataal and these bastard ALQAEDA are murdering and beheading any fellow shia muslims that they dislike.

SO WAKE UP, AND STOP IMAGINING THINGS, MUSLIMS ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THINGS LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.

There are millions like you who, like Amna Malik said in her post, point out problems with no solutions. My problem with your post is you are telling us Sun is the source of life on this planet, everyone knows it. no one is supporting these soldier of ignorance and i don't think they come here to read your post before they goto suicide mission. This have been debated and debated again so lets stop wasting our time.