QUOTE(Caesar @ Jul 18 2008, 01:11 AM)

Bro Sobank, I appreciate your post and the points raised. I am just letting you know that I was born here but spent all my childhood in Pakistan and spend 6 years in Saud Arabia. I finished Quran many times and have read a lot of hadiths, and have studied a lot of Islamic Jurisprudence. If you still don't think I am not in a position to release so called fatwas, I still respect your opinion.
Yes I have to admit I ask really akward and tough questions-- but that's the way I am.
With all due respect, nothing personal from my side over here so dont take it like that. And again with all due respect, this is what i am reading in your post;
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I am just letting you know that I was born here but spent all my childhood in Pakistan.
I left pakistan before i could understand what is logic. for me biggest problem was making home to see my favorite cartoon show.
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and spend 6 years in Saud Arabia.
and by the time I reached physical maturity, at least, i was not even in pakistan all my knowledge of society came from he/she says.
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I finished Quran many times and have read a lot of hadiths, and have studied a lot of Islamic Jurisprudence. If you still don't think I am not in a position to release so called fatwas, I still respect your opinion.
I finished quran many times over and over again like any other maulwi in mosque and even though i have not studied islamic jurisprudence like an average corner mosque mullah did, no matter how false it is, I think since i have access to internet, I can say whatever i want cause hey its my opinion.
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Yes I have to admit I ask really awkward and tough questions-- but that's the way I am.
I will not admit that i pass judgments, ruling and answers rather than questions.
Now this is not a characteristics of mine to rip apart a post and specially the one that have a very well mannered attitude, but somehow you need to listen to me before some one else tear your arguments apart.
So lets start this whole thing.
Your tough question was: " Anyways, i think that people in Pakistan r Perverts because of there are too many restrictions specially religious restrictions. Same is the case in Saudi Arabia!" . Again not a tough question but
your answer to the question.
my response was: "there are more cultural restrictions than religious.Try meeting a girl before marriage, if you get caught and not lucky enough to be in bigger city, your head will be rolling on the street (mataphorically or literally or both)". {And i didnt even point out to you the gross generalization of your pathetic mind of yours at this point. saying pakistani are pervert based on a stat whose method of calculation and data gathering you dont know. you dont even consider the sample size, you completely disregard that simply logically it doesnt make sense that a country whose population is even smaller than # of internet users in india, can put these numbers together.}
Now it is very easy for those with little islamic knowledge to understand what i was pointing out and also that it was a fact that i was referring to. Now if you did have good knowledge of islamic provisions in this regard along with pakistani society, to prove your point, you would go "hey may be this is true but what about this that and that and that". But you didnt. It also shows me that you are not familier with the subject matter and not even understand the pakistani society. This is very clear and you have no way to mask it. And your conviction also shows that you know what are you talking about. In that case it shows you dont have the islamic knowledge or just very incomplete one.
Then again you line islam with other religion. Well son, learn to argue. Your point was "pakistani pervert because of religious restriction" not "pervert because of hindu, sikh, christanity and islam". So when you answer keep yourself to islam. I really dont give 2 sh|ts about the effects of hinduism on pakistani culture and neither the subject matter allows this kind of argument.
And then i try to ask you directly in the bottom line of the post, "There are thousands of other social behavior of nations that i can put here but lets do the above questions, after you explain the parts of our/pakistani society that is corrupted by the religion".
You dont answer me over here to prove yourself right or wrong, which would have been of more importance to me if i was in a debate, you try to give me your qualification.
Brother i dont want you to respect my opinion. I can get that right here in toronto from real people. I am here to debate. You should disect my opinon, show my wrongs. Maybe i will learn from it.
So are you going to prove me wrong or you gonna go on defending your "qualification" for throwing fatwa??? I suggest you prove me wrong real good cause simply one or two anomalies cant make your right. You gonna have to make my arguemtns into anomalies of social behavior.
SO good luck and I will be waiting to see the effects of rslam on society.