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instantexcess
Click to view attachment1 - From Google Trends
Alam
atleast we are number 1 in something!!!
rahulj
QUOTE(instantexcess @ Jul 15 2008, 12:32 AM) *
Click to view attachment1 - From Google Trends

LOLANI.GIF
We subcontinental people are the most perverted I guess emot-devil.gif
GreenBeret
any bright ideas how to change this trend?
rahulj
QUOTE(GreenBeret @ Jul 15 2008, 01:23 AM) *
any bright ideas how to change this trend?

blame it on the society! I am not saying its a bad society! But in India & Pakistan, sex is a taboo topic and not usually discussed openly in the public, rather its spoken in hushed voices! So the suppressed mind kinda thinks of it as perverted and it fuels more perversion behind the whole topic and so here you see the result! :)
complicated
no Pakistani city is in top 10 i wonder how are we topping the chart overall
complicated
QUOTE(complicated @ Jul 15 2008, 01:41 AM) *
no Pakistani city is in top 10 i wonder how are we topping the chart overall

Pakistanis don't really talk about ###### s e x at least i have never heard anyone talking abt it but donkey s e x is a common joke
gnak
i always wondered wheres the audience for all these beastality sh1t... now i know

QUOTE(Alam @ Jul 15 2008, 04:23 PM) *
atleast we are number 1 in something!!!


nothing to be proud of just show how degraded pakistan society is
ZPak
What? This cant be real. Ok guys fess up how many of you guys have actually typed "######" sex on Google.
Anxious About Pakistan
ha ha ha funny

I don't think its right. india shoul be ahead of us in this race.
Dizasta
Do you know how many of these goat lovers, donkey fanatics and retarded moron indians are working in Google, Yahoo and Microsoft?? Anyone with half a brain would be able to figure it out that this is nothing but a bunch of lies in a yet another one of countless things which these bhangees would do to malign the image of Pakistan and Pakistanis.
TheIce
That is because most people on dailup connection..

Once everyone get broadband connection, they will get bored looking for sex on the site after while.
Alam
QUOTE(gnak @ Jul 15 2008, 01:59 AM) *
i always wondered wheres the audience for all these beastality sh1t... now i know
nothing to be proud of just show how degraded pakistan society is


sarcasm was intended...
*Zarrar Jareeh*
Please give a credible link (from Google itself preferably). Animatd GIFs I can make at home do not count.
Volcano-X
QUOTE(gnak @ Jul 15 2008, 11:59 AM) *
i always wondered wheres the audience for all these beastality sh1t... now i know
nothing to be proud of just show how degraded pakistan society is


salamz

listen up bhangee .. we are not degraded society .. want me 2 post ur REAL FACE ? and this stats also mentions ..P.I.G s** and here in pakistan every1 even christians hate it ..and these are just fake figures... and ur(bhindi) pie brain cow urine drinking rat headed bhindis show themselves to degrade Pakland and also to show there filth..

guyz as for me i think this is just another fake bull crap .. i mean comon no1 really cares about this ..and these figures show that UK and other countries including rat land are mostly on last numbers.. i really doubt its accurancy ...
platinum786
Interesting that, India has more Internet users than the entire population of Pakistan, yet these stats would suggest we are number 1.

Who did the research for them? I checked some of them and the google trends website seems to show exactly that.

Indians came number 1 in god sex btw. I wouldn't be suprised though, some of these are proper perverted pendu stuff.
Shehz
QUOTE(Volcano-X @ Jul 15 2008, 11:08 AM) *
listen up bhangee .. we are not degraded society .. want me 2 post ur REAL FACE ? and this stats also mentions ..P.I.G s** and here in pakistan every1 even christians hate it ..and these are just fake figures... and ur(bhindi) pie brain cow urine drinking rat headed bhindis show themselves to degrade Pakland and also to show there filth..


Just a word of advise merey bhai, you come out too strong, with religion and cussing.
It's not what you say, but how you say it.

It reflects more on us, our religious upbringing, ultimately making us embarassed.
You go straight for name calling, aesa nahee kar yaar.
zainabia
Brothers,

There are some very important thoughts that I have on this Issue. Let me share them with you. May Allah give me HOOSLA to do so. Amin.


[But before that, let me introduce myself a little while Members here are in dout about me. I am a sister and it reflects from my nick "Zainabia", but members here seem to have misunderstanding].


Holy Kaba and Bad Saxual Actions by some Evil People

..... I don't have words to describe how sick mentality have some people who even dare to do such bad things in HOUSE of Allah.

And I seeks Allah's Refuge. amin.

And I am also not going to write more about it.


///////////////////////


Some More Thoughts: Great Companions were unable to control over themselves for 30 Days of Ramazan


Well, I tried to do "Takfakkur" with my limited knowledge and brain, as why are there so many Evils in our Society.


Very briefly, I felt that marraige age of Boys/Men in Pakistan has gone up to average 30 years.


My Question: How could we expect from Muslim Men to control over himself and not to indulge in any Sin till the age of 30 years, while Quran is telling me it was even difficult for Great Sahaba to control over themselves from this Sin for only 30 Days.

Quran tells us:

[Shakir 2:187] It is made lawful to you to go into your wives on the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them; Allah knew that you acted unfaithfully to yourselves, so He has turned to you (mercifully) and removed from you (this burden); so now be in contact with them and seek what Allah has ordained for you,

And this is Urdu Translation by Dr. Tahir ul Qadri:

مہارے لئے روزوں کی راتوں میں اپنی بیویوں کے پاس جانا حلال کر دیا گیا ہے، وہ تمہاری پوشاک ہیں اور تم ان کی پوشاک ہو، اﷲ کو معلوم ہے کہ تم اپنے حق میں خیانت کرتے تھے سو اس نے تمہارے حال پر رحم کیا اور تمہیں معاف فرما دیا، پس اب (روزوں کی راتوں میں بیشک) ان سے مباشرت کیا کرو



[Note: Earlier it was forbidden upon Muslims to not to go in beds with their wives for complete month of Ramazan].


[2nd Note: There are some Traditions from Sahih Bukhari and Muslim too where some Sahaba [Actually some Great Sahaba came to Prophet Muhammad (saw) and asked his permission to castrate themselves while they were under way for Jihad and they were unable to control their sexual desires and were afraid to commit a sin.
Rasool (saw) didn't allowed them castration, but there was some other solution which I don't want to discuss

In brief, lesson that I learnt was this that even Great Sahaba were unable to control for a period of time that they had to go for Ghazwa (Jihad) and were afraid of indulging in Sin, then how could our Society believe that their Young Sons and Daughters will spend a life of an Angel till 30 years (for Sons) and 25 Years (for Daughters)?

It would be better for our Society to take care of this Issue.

And in Pathan areas, where women are compelled to stay in homes and in Bazar you could only see Men,...... then there occurs the problem of Homosexuality.


These are only some thoughts which I wanted to share about evils in our Soceity.










serenader
QUOTE(complicated @ Jul 15 2008, 12:46 AM) *
Pakistanis don't really talk about ###### s e x at least i have never heard anyone talking abt it but donkey s e x is a common joke


Know your country & culture.. Bestiality involving Donkeys is common in rural Sindh where it is supposed to have medicinal effect. Bestiality involving other animals is not so uncommon in other provenances as well. Keeping young boys is a common status symbol in the Pakhtoon culture.

In our society you can easily find any sexual act one can imagine; may it be Incest, Bestiality, homosexuality etc. the only difference is that we keep a good lid on it.
Volcano-X
QUOTE(Shehz @ Jul 15 2008, 09:49 PM) *
Just a word of advise merey bhai, you come out too strong, with religion and cussing.
It's not what you say, but how you say it.

It reflects more on us, our religious upbringing, ultimately making us embarassed.
You go straight for name calling, aesa nahee kar yaar.


salamz

well bro .. cant he do sum research before saying anything? cant he see with his eyes? i can make a gif image and say its offical which show that bhindia is a super power and has 1000 trillion more finance then USA or Bhindia has very clean and nice people?

.. wud he agree with it? i dun think so...



wasalam
BelligerentPacifist
QUOTE(zainabia @ Jul 15 2008, 11:05 PM) *
Brothers,

There are some very important thoughts that I have on this Issue. Let me share them with you. May Allah give me HOOSLA to do so. Amin.
[But before that, let me introduce myself a little while Members here are in dout about me. I am a sister and it reflects from my nick "Zainabia", but members here seem to have misunderstanding].
Holy Kaba and Bad Saxual Actions by some Evil People

..... I don't have words to describe how sick mentality have some people who even dare to do such bad things in HOUSE of Allah.

And I seeks Allah's Refuge. amin.

And I am also not going to write more about it.
///////////////////////


Some More Thoughts: Great Companions were unable to control over themselves for 30 Days of Ramazan


Well, I tried to do "Takfakkur" with my limited knowledge and brain, as why are there so many Evils in our Society.
Very briefly, I felt that marraige age of Boys/Men in Pakistan has gone up to average 30 years.
My Question: How could we expect from Muslim Men to control over himself and not to indulge in any Sin till the age of 30 years, while Quran is telling me it was even difficult for Great Sahaba to control over themselves from this Sin for only 30 Days.

Quran tells us:

[Shakir 2:187] It is made lawful to you to go into your wives on the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them; Allah knew that you acted unfaithfully to yourselves, so He has turned to you (mercifully) and removed from you (this burden); so now be in contact with them and seek what Allah has ordained for you,

And this is Urdu Translation by Dr. Tahir ul Qadri:

مہارے لئے روزوں کی راتوں میں اپنی بیویوں کے پاس جانا حلال کر دیا گیا ہے، وہ تمہاری پوشاک ہیں اور تم ان کی پوشاک ہو، اﷲ کو معلوم ہے کہ تم اپنے حق میں خیانت کرتے تھے سو اس نے تمہارے حال پر رحم کیا اور تمہیں معاف فرما دیا، پس اب (روزوں کی راتوں میں بیشک) ان سے مباشرت کیا کرو

[Note: Earlier it was forbidden upon Muslims to not to go in beds with their wives for complete month of Ramazan].
[2nd Note: There are some Traditions from Sahih Bukhari and Muslim too where some Sahaba [Actually some Great Sahaba came to Prophet Muhammad (saw) and asked his permission to castrate themselves while they were under way for Jihad and they were unable to control their sexual desires and were afraid to commit a sin.
Rasool (saw) didn't allowed them castration, but there was some other solution which I don't want to discuss

In brief, lesson that I learnt was this that even Great Sahaba were unable to control for a period of time that they had to go for Ghazwa (Jihad) and were afraid of indulging in Sin, then how could our Society believe that their Young Sons and Daughters will spend a life of an Angel till 30 years (for Sons) and 25 Years (for Daughters)?

It would be better for our Society to take care of this Issue.

And in Pathan areas, where women are compelled to stay in homes and in Bazar you could only see Men,...... then there occurs the problem of Homosexuality.
These are only some thoughts which I wanted to share about evils in our Soceity.



You are so wrong on so many counts.

1- Nowhere do we see a reference saying making love was prohibited for the entire month of Ramadan. Allah even discouraged people other than his Last Messenger to keep several-days-long fasts, so how do you think He can ask them to do a month-long-sex-abstention? Actually the express explanation that its ok to have sex in the nights of Ramadan is to make people not put htemselves under unnecessary difficulty. And since when sexual relationships between man and wife become a sin?

2- Yeah specifically Hazrat Abu Huraira asked if he should castrate himself. He never married, never got a job etc for the fear that he might miss the presence of the Messanger and not be able to learn new Ahadeeth. There could be other examples. But the point for our thick heads is: their 'fear of falling prey to sin' is NOT equal to your such fear. That was a completely different level of taqwa, something you probably can't even grasp. It was like 'I should cut off my tongue because a slip of the tongue may cause hurt to someone etc, even though the probability of that ever happening is ~0 but I'm a human so human weakness isn't theoretically beyond me'.

In fact I know you were not wrong in saying what you said, you knew and you wanted to say wrong just to malign the Companions. Please keep your propaganda to yourself, and if you really like to believe what you say, just give the idea a little tour of logic. Anyway we know you won't. The hint as you said is in the name.

Ok one last thing, I haven't been in deep Pukhtun territory but I know many personally, from different strata of society actually, and all of them are straight. They themselves don't know of child homosexuality cases in 'their' society but like you have heard of them. They think that in remoter areas where tribal custom from the persian heritage is still the stronger force and Islam hasn't really supplanted some of them, this phenomenon might or does exists. Anyway I do wonder what seeing men in the market or the workplace makes you inclined towards homosexuality? Those men are to do business with or just to walk past by, its not like they're part of some man-whore parade. Just like their women colleagues are their to work with, not have sex with. Or do you expect yourself and others to bang every person you see?
Yahya
it is fudged....

sobank
this tren does not show sh|t. Americans watch more porn and know exactly where to go to. they wont type word sex and search for it. but kids back home think sex means fuc|(ing and thats all. hence sentences like "sexing karo". I was like what the hell when i heard the term "sexing".

and then there is some lack of knowledge that is readily available in west. And then there is curiosity too. and then there is couple of people like me. When i was writing an essay for my film course (about films and their effect on society) I looked up things on internet which i wouldnt dream to look at and let me assure you, ###### sex is the least shocking thing. how about dolphin???????????????

Any way mostly i do believe the count is there mostly because of curiosity. and it doesnt represent anything else.

Let me give you some examples

http://www.google.com/trends?q=child+moles...=all&sort=0

http://www.google.com/trends?q=ram+sex&...=all&sort=0

And here is a proof of the whole trend thing is bull sh|t
http://www.google.com/trends?q=shah+rukh+k...=all&sort=0

And here is even bigger proof
http://www.google.com/trends?q=pakistan+cr...ll&date=all

so there was a search for "pakistan cruise missile" in 2005 and a big one too. but not after when we actually tested it. "babar cruise missile" does not have enough searches to get a result.


zainabia
QUOTE(BelligerentPacifist @ Jul 15 2008, 04:32 PM) *
You are so wrong on so many counts.

1- Nowhere do we see a reference saying making love was prohibited for the entire month of Ramadan. Allah even discouraged people other than his Last Messenger to keep several-days-long fasts, so how do you think He can ask them to do a month-long-sex-abstention? Actually the express explanation that its ok to have sex in the nights of Ramadan is to make people not put htemselves under unnecessary difficulty. And since when sexual relationships between man and wife become a sin?

2- Yeah specifically Hazrat Abu Huraira asked if he should castrate himself. He never married, never got a job etc for the fear that he might miss the presence of the Messanger and not be able to learn new Ahadeeth. There could be other examples. But the point for our thick heads is: their 'fear of falling prey to sin' is NOT equal to your such fear. That was a completely different level of taqwa, something you probably can't even grasp. It was like 'I should cut off my tongue because a slip of the tongue may cause hurt to someone etc, even though the probability of that ever happening is ~0 but I'm a human so human weakness isn't theoretically beyond me'.

In fact I know you were not wrong in saying what you said, you knew and you wanted to say wrong just to malign the Companions. Please keep your propaganda to yourself, and if you really like to believe what you say, just give the idea a little tour of logic. Anyway we know you won't. The hint as you said is in the name.

Ok one last thing, I haven't been in deep Pukhtun territory but I know many personally, from different strata of society actually, and all of them are straight. They themselves don't know of child homosexuality cases in 'their' society but like you have heard of them. They think that in remoter areas where tribal custom from the persian heritage is still the stronger force and Islam hasn't really supplanted some of them, this phenomenon might or does exists. Anyway I do wonder what seeing men in the market or the workplace makes you inclined towards homosexuality? Those men are to do business with or just to walk past by, its not like they're part of some man-whore parade. Just like their women colleagues are their to work with, not have sex with. Or do you expect yourself and others to bang every person you see?



Brother,


I wrote my post with so much Good Intentions about Problems of our Soceity and Allah is enough as my witness.


And you are blaming me for Misusing and Distorting the Quranic Verses (Ma'az Allah). I request you to please read any Tafsir of this Verse of Quran and things would become clear to you. All these Tafasir would witness my truthfulness. Insha-Allah.
S.R.A.H
I highly doubt the numbers, secondly the google search is not the accurate measure, it just shows Pakistani's are searching for more sites where as the north americans and others already know where to go :D

On a technical note, i thought pakistan had a working system for blocking these sites.I read somewhere , that 3000 sites are getting blocked every month or so. Here is an old link showing that internet censorship had starting working in 2003..LINK
WAJHEE
didn't you guys notice that no of pakistanis remained constant while that of other countries changed..
BelligerentPacifist
QUOTE(zainabia @ Jul 16 2008, 08:27 AM) *
Brother,
I wrote my post with so much Good Intentions about Problems of our Soceity and Allah is enough as my witness.
And you are blaming me for Misusing and Distorting the Quranic Verses (Ma'az Allah). I request you to please read any Tafsir of this Verse of Quran and things would become clear to you. All these Tafasir would witness my truthfulness. Insha-Allah.


OK that's as polite as a reply gets, but I too wasn't talking without having read the tafaseer. Please review them to confirm my points, and please don't try to fit Allah's Messengers, their friends and families with our standards of morals of today.
Psycoo
its fake you dumb idiots.. its a joke by some indian probably. baby sex pakistan number 1, monkey sex pakistan number 1.

ofc its a joke, india would be number one in everything. they have more people with internet access because of their population.

Shehz
QUOTE(Volcano-X @ Jul 15 2008, 05:28 PM) *
salamz

well bro .. cant he do sum research before saying anything? cant he see with his eyes? i can make a gif image and say its offical which show that bhindia is a super power and has 1000 trillion more finance then USA or Bhindia has very clean and nice people?

.. wud he agree with it? i dun think so...
wasalam


Walaikum As-Salaam.
Gaali hum sub log detey hai, lekin pehley situation ko analyze kartey hai, aur phir us insaan key saath reason kartey hai.

Re-Read the entire thread all over, the one who posted that GIF Image is our Mod InstantExcess.
The one you insulted is Gnak (A PDF Elite Member).

There was no Indian or Hindu involved, why insult them, that too for no reason.
As well as, none of the 2 are whom you assume they are, they are Pakistani/Muslims, why bring in P!G and Cow Urine, Rat when addressing them?

All I'm saying is that at times you come out too strong, and it reflects on all of us.
Aagey aap ki marzi hey merey bhai.
England
QUOTE(zainabia @ Jul 15 2008, 07:05 PM) *
Brothers,

There are some very important thoughts that I have on this Issue. Let me share them with you. May Allah give me HOOSLA to do so. Amin.
[But before that, let me introduce myself a little while Members here are in dout about me. I am a sister and it reflects from my nick "Zainabia", but members here seem to have misunderstanding].
Holy Kaba and Bad Saxual Actions by some Evil People

..... I don't have words to describe how sick mentality have some people who even dare to do such bad things in HOUSE of Allah.

And I seeks Allah's Refuge. amin.

And I am also not going to write more about it.
///////////////////////


Some More Thoughts: Great Companions were unable to control over themselves for 30 Days of Ramazan


Well, I tried to do "Takfakkur" with my limited knowledge and brain, as why are there so many Evils in our Society.
Very briefly, I felt that marraige age of Boys/Men in Pakistan has gone up to average 30 years.
My Question: How could we expect from Muslim Men to control over himself and not to indulge in any Sin till the age of 30 years, while Quran is telling me it was even difficult for Great Sahaba to control over themselves from this Sin for only 30 Days.

Quran tells us:

[Shakir 2:187] It is made lawful to you to go into your wives on the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them; Allah knew that you acted unfaithfully to yourselves, so He has turned to you (mercifully) and removed from you (this burden); so now be in contact with them and seek what Allah has ordained for you,

And this is Urdu Translation by Dr. Tahir ul Qadri:

مہارے لئے روزوں کی راتوں میں اپنی بیویوں کے پاس جانا حلال کر دیا گیا ہے، وہ تمہاری پوشاک ہیں اور تم ان کی پوشاک ہو، اﷲ کو معلوم ہے کہ تم اپنے حق میں خیانت کرتے تھے سو اس نے تمہارے حال پر رحم کیا اور تمہیں معاف فرما دیا، پس اب (روزوں کی راتوں میں بیشک) ان سے مباشرت کیا کرو

[Note: Earlier it was forbidden upon Muslims to not to go in beds with their wives for complete month of Ramazan].
[2nd Note: There are some Traditions from Sahih Bukhari and Muslim too where some Sahaba [Actually some Great Sahaba came to Prophet Muhammad (saw) and asked his permission to castrate themselves while they were under way for Jihad and they were unable to control their sexual desires and were afraid to commit a sin.
Rasool (saw) didn't allowed them castration, but there was some other solution which I don't want to discuss

In brief, lesson that I learnt was this that even Great Sahaba were unable to control for a period of time that they had to go for Ghazwa (Jihad) and were afraid of indulging in Sin, then how could our Society believe that their Young Sons and Daughters will spend a life of an Angel till 30 years (for Sons) and 25 Years (for Daughters)?

It would be better for our Society to take care of this Issue.

And in Pathan areas, where women are compelled to stay in homes and in Bazar you could only see Men,...... then there occurs the problem of Homosexuality.
These are only some thoughts which I wanted to share about evils in our Soceity.


You seriously need to get a good education, which I think you lack in all ways and form.
As you appear to be under the 50 year old age group, you must even have access to the internet. Therefore, go onto websites such as www.islamalways.com and get some real answers instead of made up ones.
Caesar
So it is official--Pakistanis are really HORNY people!! I think that is a good thing. laugh.gif

However I am surprised that everyone missed the country in SECOND place--SAUDIA ARABIA!!! laugh.gif
1pakistani
QUOTE(Caesar @ Jul 17 2008, 11:19 AM) *
So it is official--Pakistanis are really HORNY people!! I think that is a good thing. laugh.gif

However I am surprised that everyone missed the country in SECOND place--SAUDIA ARABIA!!! laugh.gif


dont know abt Pakistan, but here is somthing intersting,
this is one of many.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=598934
Caesar
QUOTE(1pakistani @ Jul 17 2008, 03:44 PM) *
dont know abt Pakistan, but here is somthing intersting,
this is one of many.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=598934


And it is suppose to be a public tax funded magazine! laugh.gif

Man frankly, these people disgust me for putting little innocent children nude on front pages!! If this is not "National Phedophilia" than what is it??

Anyways, i think that people in Pakistan r Perverts because of there are too many restrictions specially religious restrictions. Same is the case in Saudi Arabia!
zainabia
QUOTE(England @ Jul 16 2008, 03:56 PM) *
You seriously need to get a good education, which I think you lack in all ways and form.
As you appear to be under the 50 year old age group, you must even have access to the internet. Therefore, go onto websites such as www.islamalways.com and get some real answers instead of made up ones.



I don't know what you are talking brother.

If I have written a single wrong thing, then please come with Proofs and correct me and I well come you. But surely I could in no way well come you when you raise unnecessary objections with absolutely no points or Proofs.


My point is clear since age of Marriage has gone till 30 and 25 years for Boys and Girls respectively, therefore we have these Evils increasing in our soceity.

sobank
QUOTE(Caesar @ Jul 17 2008, 01:54 AM) *
And it is suppose to be a public tax funded magazine! laugh.gif

Man frankly, these people disgust me for putting little innocent children nude on front pages!! If this is not "National Phedophilia" than what is it??

Anyways, i think that people in Pakistan r Perverts because of there are too many restrictions specially religious restrictions. Same is the case in Saudi Arabia!


Oye victim of religiophobia, there are more cultural restrictions than religious. God knows where the hell people come up with stuff. Try meeting a girl before marriage, if you get caught and not lucky enough to be in bigger city, your head will be rolling on the street (mataphorically or literally or both).
Volcano-X
QUOTE(Shehz @ Jul 16 2008, 08:58 PM) *
Walaikum As-Salaam.
Gaali hum sub log detey hai, lekin pehley situation ko analyze kartey hai, aur phir us insaan key saath reason kartey hai.

Re-Read the entire thread all over, the one who posted that GIF Image is our Mod InstantExcess.
The one you insulted is Gnak (A PDF Elite Member).

There was no Indian or Hindu involved, why insult them, that too for no reason.
As well as, none of the 2 are whom you assume they are, they are Pakistani/Muslims, why bring in P!G and Cow Urine, Rat when addressing them?

All I'm saying is that at times you come out too strong, and it reflects on all of us.
Aagey aap ki marzi hey merey bhai.


salamz
acha bro got it .. but he has no ryt 2 say baqwas against pak and refer us as degraded society ... i just wanted 2 show hw degraded his(BHINDI) society is .. goray phr b sane hotay hain but there bhindis are blind in hatred of Pak.. and i dun think i need 2 exlpain it.. and lastly if u feel offended by this post den i am sorry i had no intention of doing so .. just he took the thread away from the real point..

PEACE OUT!!

AllaH Hafiz
Caesar
QUOTE(sobank @ Jul 17 2008, 04:53 PM) *
Oye victim of religiophobia, there are more cultural restrictions than religious. God knows where the hell people come up with stuff. Try meeting a girl before marriage, if you get caught and not lucky enough to be in bigger city, your head will be rolling on the street (mataphorically or literally or both).


Mate you have to admit that cultures are directly affected by religions--specially in Islamic countries where everything revolves around religions. So this attitude of meeting a girl before marriage, then getting caught and getting a smashing on the head is a result of what our religions told us to adopt in our cultures!

Since there is so much restriction in our countries, people rebel when they have a chance. It is in human psychology that the more pressure you put on them not to do something, the more the chance of them resisting it and doing it when getting a chance. When you go to Pakistan and countries like it, you feel that their is this sexual tension brewing amongst the younger generation because of all the restrictions.

Internet is a way out for these lads and girls, a little piece of paradise for them, to perhaps do whatever they like without their Moms and Dads, and mullahs sitting over their head monitoring everything they do!!
sobank
QUOTE(Caesar @ Jul 17 2008, 07:56 PM) *
Mate you have to admit that cultures are directly affected by religions--specially in Islamic countries where everything revolves around religions. So this attitude of meeting a girl before marriage, then getting caught and getting a smashing on the head is a result of what our religions told us to adopt in our cultures!

Since there is so much restriction in our countries, people rebel when they have a chance. It is in human psychology that the more pressure you put on them not to do something, the more the chance of them resisting it and doing it when getting a chance. When you go to Pakistan and countries like it, you feel that their is this sexual tension brewing amongst the younger generation because of all the restrictions.

Internet is a way out for these lads and girls, a little piece of paradise for them, to perhaps do whatever they like without their Moms and Dads, and mullahs sitting over their head monitoring everything they do!!


What the hell are you talking about???????????? When or where did islam say that before marriage would be wife and husband cannot meet and talk through things before marriage. This is cultural restriction which, unfortunately, was forwarded as religious restriction.

Now if you are talking about not islam but hindu, sikh or christians, then you should tell them that YOURS religion is problem. Putting islam in the same line of religions where one god was created because another god was molested by his daughter in his sleep (yes you read it right and hinduism is what i am talking about), or where killing a trading person on sunday is right, then obviously you are extremely wrong.

This is not something that you can generalize and put it where ever you want. When you say "all religions" or "religions", then first you have to show which religions are wrong. Since in this matter we are speaking of islam then please show me where are the things you talk about are located in big "evil" world of islam.

And finally, and this is very brotherly suggestion, dont stick your head into things that you dont know about. From the looks of it, again and again, it is very clear that you dont have intimate knowledge of islam or pakistani society so stop releasing your "Fatwas". For you asking is a better policy.


Since there is so much restriction in our countries, people rebel when they have a chance.

Again you are generalizing it. ok lets talk about restriction of drinks. lots of people do it in pakistan, no doubt. But then there are lots and lots of them who dont. I was raised in a town where churs (hash) was more readily available than iodized salt. and yet almost all of my friends never touched it. 10 years in canada, lived 3 years away from my family and yet i can swear on my mom that i have never touched a single drop of drink or drug or non-hallal food. Shehz have known me in person for a year now and ask him how many time have i eaten non hallal. Ask him what did I ordered when the guy said they didnt have veggie burger. I have met more pakistani who eat only hallal as compared to those who dont. And the one who doesnt, also have religious support for his argument. and then there are those who eat cause they cant stand being hungry. I cannot remember meeting anyone who would say, "well i do it cause i was stopped".

you need to meet people. different people. all kinds of people before you can actually get what they do and why they do it. You could spend 100 years in a society and will never know why they do things they do.


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So this attitude of meeting a girl before marriage, then getting caught and getting a smashing on the head is a result of what our religions told us to adopt in our cultures!

so i guess sikh in punjab and hindu in india have learnt the same thing from islam??????????


Again i beg you to stop trivializing things. There is much more to behavior than "they do it cause they are restricted". Ever wonder why teenager smoke????????? what is the one major reason for smoking??????

This can go on and on and on. to make thing short, please show me what teachings of islam were the one reason for the certain behavior in our society. And remember show me the teachings of islam, not their mutilated versions.

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Mate you have to admit that cultures are directly affected by religions

Indeed they are. but if religion says do not kill innocents and then you go out doing suicide bombing in the school, then whose fault is it...........your religion, or perversions of your mind.

which religion was affecting stallon when he killed even more civilian than hitler?
which religion are you going to blame for ww2?
is it religion that is responsible for 911?
how many wars between india and pakistan, have been fought over religion?
Ok our attitude towards bengalis that resulted in split of pakistan: which religion are you going to blame for that?

There are thousands of other social behavior of nations that i can put here but lets do the above questions, after you explain the parts of our/pakistani society that is corrupted by the religion.
Caesar
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And finally, and this is very brotherly suggestion, dont stick your head into things that you dont know about. From the looks of it, again and again, it is very clear that you dont have intimate knowledge of islam or pakistani society so stop releasing your "Fatwas". For you asking is a better policy.


Bro Sobank, I appreciate your post and the points raised. I am just letting you know that I was born here but spent all my childhood in Pakistan and spend 6 years in Saud Arabia. I finished Quran many times and have read a lot of hadiths, and have studied a lot of Islamic Jurisprudence. If you still don't think I am not in a position to release so called fatwas, I still respect your opinion.

Yes I have to admit I ask really akward and tough questions-- but that's the way I am.
sobank
QUOTE(Caesar @ Jul 18 2008, 01:11 AM) *
Bro Sobank, I appreciate your post and the points raised. I am just letting you know that I was born here but spent all my childhood in Pakistan and spend 6 years in Saud Arabia. I finished Quran many times and have read a lot of hadiths, and have studied a lot of Islamic Jurisprudence. If you still don't think I am not in a position to release so called fatwas, I still respect your opinion.

Yes I have to admit I ask really akward and tough questions-- but that's the way I am.


With all due respect, nothing personal from my side over here so dont take it like that. And again with all due respect, this is what i am reading in your post;

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I am just letting you know that I was born here but spent all my childhood in Pakistan.

I left pakistan before i could understand what is logic. for me biggest problem was making home to see my favorite cartoon show.

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and spend 6 years in Saud Arabia.

and by the time I reached physical maturity, at least, i was not even in pakistan all my knowledge of society came from he/she says.

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I finished Quran many times and have read a lot of hadiths, and have studied a lot of Islamic Jurisprudence. If you still don't think I am not in a position to release so called fatwas, I still respect your opinion.


I finished quran many times over and over again like any other maulwi in mosque and even though i have not studied islamic jurisprudence like an average corner mosque mullah did, no matter how false it is, I think since i have access to internet, I can say whatever i want cause hey its my opinion.

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Yes I have to admit I ask really awkward and tough questions-- but that's the way I am.

I will not admit that i pass judgments, ruling and answers rather than questions.

Now this is not a characteristics of mine to rip apart a post and specially the one that have a very well mannered attitude, but somehow you need to listen to me before some one else tear your arguments apart.

So lets start this whole thing.

Your tough question was: " Anyways, i think that people in Pakistan r Perverts because of there are too many restrictions specially religious restrictions. Same is the case in Saudi Arabia!" . Again not a tough question but your answer to the question.

my response was: "there are more cultural restrictions than religious.Try meeting a girl before marriage, if you get caught and not lucky enough to be in bigger city, your head will be rolling on the street (mataphorically or literally or both)". {And i didnt even point out to you the gross generalization of your pathetic mind of yours at this point. saying pakistani are pervert based on a stat whose method of calculation and data gathering you dont know. you dont even consider the sample size, you completely disregard that simply logically it doesnt make sense that a country whose population is even smaller than # of internet users in india, can put these numbers together.}

Now it is very easy for those with little islamic knowledge to understand what i was pointing out and also that it was a fact that i was referring to. Now if you did have good knowledge of islamic provisions in this regard along with pakistani society, to prove your point, you would go "hey may be this is true but what about this that and that and that". But you didnt. It also shows me that you are not familier with the subject matter and not even understand the pakistani society. This is very clear and you have no way to mask it. And your conviction also shows that you know what are you talking about. In that case it shows you dont have the islamic knowledge or just very incomplete one.

Then again you line islam with other religion. Well son, learn to argue. Your point was "pakistani pervert because of religious restriction" not "pervert because of hindu, sikh, christanity and islam". So when you answer keep yourself to islam. I really dont give 2 sh|ts about the effects of hinduism on pakistani culture and neither the subject matter allows this kind of argument.


And then i try to ask you directly in the bottom line of the post, "There are thousands of other social behavior of nations that i can put here but lets do the above questions, after you explain the parts of our/pakistani society that is corrupted by the religion".

You dont answer me over here to prove yourself right or wrong, which would have been of more importance to me if i was in a debate, you try to give me your qualification.

Brother i dont want you to respect my opinion. I can get that right here in toronto from real people. I am here to debate. You should disect my opinon, show my wrongs. Maybe i will learn from it.


So are you going to prove me wrong or you gonna go on defending your "qualification" for throwing fatwa??? I suggest you prove me wrong real good cause simply one or two anomalies cant make your right. You gonna have to make my arguemtns into anomalies of social behavior.

SO good luck and I will be waiting to see the effects of rslam on society.


Caesar
Sobank, I have deliberately tried not to go into any arguments with you as I sensed from your posts that their is something else on your your mind. I am not here to start anything bad--I am just glad to be exchanging my viewpoints and thoughts with other members.

I hope you respect my wishes of not replying any further on this topic.
sobank
I read your pm. So to clear something to you and others over here, I am going to do the open reply.

No one. I repeat, none is going to be on my bad list. Your posts, on the other hand, are completely different story. If your post is bad, it will get the treatment it deserves, no exception there.

You can argue with me as long as you want, as long as your argument is supported by some logic and fact.

so if you guys think I am gonna start giving you warnings and banning you, then you guys are seriously mistaken. Just ask penguine. I cant remember a single post where we both agreed on something. and yet there is not a single warning issued by me ever. I think the longest running argument was psychosaint, dizasta and I against Imtiaz82. And i am talking about 5 6 pages. mostly us four and barely any post was shorter than 10 lines. And yet i have kicked some misinformed pakistani brother a$$es while defending this bengali (imtiaz) brother. cause frankly I respect him a lot. If argument with me meant you will be on my bad list then trust me i would have lasted on this forum long.

So again brother, dont hesitate to have a different opinion. but you guys should be ready to defend your opinion.


Having said all that, I again ask you to consider my previous posts and answer this simple question. What thing in our culture are affected by islam? oh and just remember, If i give you an answer that is pure logical and supported by facts, please dont try to get out of the argument. either admit you were wrong and prove your opinion. cause otherwise, you are just wasting my time and yours too.
Jamil
its a fake guys, just simply go to google trends section and type in those search words and see for your self that is NOT true.


what a bunch of losers ... all info. at your finger tips and you don't have the intelligence to go check it out your self. shame.
sobank
dude its true. i checked it before i posted it. There is something really fishy going on. search these words and see yourself.

shah rukh khan
fuc|( india

god knows how they are collecting the stats.
platinum786
It comes down to several factors;

1. The terminology is obsecure. If you put the more pornographically refined terminology in then all the top slots are taken by the white man. For example, replace the word sex with the word f**k, or use the term beastiality. The only reason Pakistan or other non english speaking countries come first in these kinds of things is because of linguistics. dog sex might get you a link about the gender of dogs, dog f**k on the other hand will not.

2. There is a lot of sexual tension in the country. People do not get married early as we have an expected lifestyle that we all want, wealth, security, then we want to be home makers, sometimes you have to realise you should marry young and go through the hard times with your life partner. It's completely normal for young people to want to have sex, to not be able to do that is obviously going to cause distraction.

3. Lifestyle pays a big part. In the past people had more manual lifestyles, they worked harder, nowadays we have office jobs, we are less tired, we have time to waste as we don't work 12-14 hours a day, you have more time to feel horny and more cause (less tired). People also are diverted from religion. Relgious practise can help divert you from your natural sexual urges. Praying 5 times a day, reading the quran, getting involved in religious activities, youth work etc, it can distract you from bad things and focus your energy to positive things.

So it's a mixed bag. To deny all of it is foolish, we know the curiousity in society exists, but to consider it an epedemic is also stupid.

As for Gnak, it'll please you to know that Australia came first for Beastility. I suppose that makes you feel much better that you ozzies can use the correct terms for your dirty needs. Also here are some stats of the revenue taken by the porn industry in 2006, China came first, followed by S.Korea and Japan. Mind you on a per capita basis, S.Koreans spent the most money in the porn industry.

http://www.internet-filter-review.toptenre...statistics.html

Perhaps you should look a little closer to home before throwing stones.

Have a look at the rest of the stats too, such as 89% of the porn on the web is American produced.
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