The transporting ability of Pakistan to China high way are not enough ,load condition are poor,we should build the railway and oil pipeline ,the project will make economy of Pakistan raiseing fast.make the China oil trafficiing more safe.

Very true.

Rail from Karachi, Gwardar up north towards Xinjiang.

Dear Batajnica, the priorities of the current government in Pakistan are totally insincere and wrong. I've read a few of your threads that are primarily focused on increasing trade/economical partnership and military cooperation between Pakistan and China. You're genuinely concerned about Pakistan because you're a true friend. I would like to extend my gratitude for that. Every person on this forum and on the streets of Pakistan is a staunch supporter of a strong bilateral relation with China. Pakistan is a very unfortunate country that has for decades been in charge of ruthless looters that only cared about their own rule and greed. Why did honourable chairman Mao introduce an elimination program for the millions of opium addicts? The answer is that otherwise China wouldn't have stood where it stands today. Chairman Mao was a patriotic and honest leader of China. He foresaw the dangers of millions of drug addicts and the effect it would've had on the future of China. He sacrificed his life for the sake of China. The same sort of revolution and cleansing is needed in Pakistan, not against opium addicts, but rather addicts of corruption, injustice and dishonesty. Pakistan needs honest and transparent leadership/people in order to rid corruption and dishonesty in all ranks. We also need sane leadership that understands the sensitivities of Pakistan. What we don't need are poodle leaders that approve every foreign order even if it hurts Pakistan's interests. The ideal kind of leadership is hard to be found though. There's no foundation in Pakistan for proper development under such circumstances. Not only a railway from Pakistan to China, but many other projects can only be considered if Pakistan's leadership has sincere intentions for Pakistan. First we need the cure for the illness.

Excellent.
Very well said. Pakistan definity need these sort of efforts.

Brother, just pointing out what every patriotic and sincere Pakistani dreams about. Thanks for your appreciation. I hope one day our collective dream becomes a reality.

oh yaar,

you are simply taking what you regard as China's best points and comparing to Pakistan's worst. In Pakistan 40 million did not starve to death unlike Mao's cultural revolution. Chairman Mao is probably turning in his grave looking at the new capitalist China. Its not as simple as they had an honest leader we had crooks. Read some books on history you may find our leaders and there's simply took different routes because they were in different situations.

Batajnica, Its a great idea but its something the Chinese would need to finance the startup of. It will help China's access to the black gold (oil), good for China and good for Pakistan too.

Your comment is wellcomed bro!!!

That's exactly why I termed Mao's services as a great sacrifice for his nation! I sense a brainwashed Western human rights activist that regards Mao as cruel and inhumane. Such people like to twist historic facts in order to justify their biases towards rising nations. Such people want to impose their shoddy Western democracy and liberalism down the throats of others at all cost. Let me just get one thing straight. There's no such thing as 'capitalist China'. That's something you people want everyone to believe in. It gives you respite to deem that China (being a Communist country) has adapted to Western norms and values. I'm sorry to burst your bubble. It's naive and incorrect to think that democracy or Western capitalism has given prosperity to China. I hear that a lot nowadays from pro Western stooges. That's just plain BS. China has formulated its own success. China has applied the true teachings of Communism which is to work hard. China and only China is responsible for its own success.

One has to sacrifice in order to gain. Freedom and prosperity come at a price. Haven't you read history? How much blood has there been spilt during the medieval ages before the renaissance period? You want progress and prosperity on a plate? Well, you aren't going to get it that way. Have you even thought of the consequences had the 40 million odd addicts in China not died? Would China even have existed? Do you really think that China would've been in the state it's today? Chairman Mao is exactly the one who set the ground for today's thriving China. Why would he be turning in his grave? Due to his hard work and insight China got rid of a disastrous plague. Stop denying it. Also, stop believing in Western history propaganda. I know my history. I know that Pakistani politics seized to exist the day when our beloved Quaid departed. That's the day when a bunch of crooks, thieves and sold outs took over and hijacked a whole nation. How else can one explain 60 years of failure?

Batajnica, don't expect anything good from the likes of Zardari and others in charge at the moment. These people will suck up to the US big time. It's part of their DNA. These people only care about their own interests. These are the same people that have broken Pakistan before. Despite Musharraf's wrongdoings he at least sided with China. Your concerns and worries are legitimate my friend.

Please enlighten us what did Mao personally sacrifice? Did he or his family die of starvation? Or did he die of impoverishment?



Agreed, China is our friend but, what do you want us to sacrifice? Or let me put it this way, do you expect 4 Million Pakistani to die of starvation (because we are 160 M as compared to China's 1 Billion) so that others can enjoy the fruits of their sacrifice? If so, then we have already given this sacrifice during the time of partition where more than 1 Million people died. Please remember one thing nations cannot be built over dead bodies of others. The only thing that can be built over dead bodies is a GRAVEYARD. Now it is unto you what you want to build.....

What's your definition of sacrifice? Starvation? Impoverishment? Sacrifice is much broader than you can ever imagine. With sacrifice I specifically meant protests by the masses and a revolutionary change. Only the masses can bring about change in their situation, but they must have a leadership that can guide them. Besides, as if people aren't already starving in Pakistan due to inflation and wheat smuggling. Like as if people aren't already dying due to attacks.

Chairman Mao made a very difficult and decisive decision. He saved his country from becoming an opium druggie nation. China was on the verge of collapse. China was overshadowed by an endemic. We've to understand the context and the reasoning. Due to his intervention China today isn't an addicted nation. Due to his teachings (Little Red Book), Chinese people are praised for their hard work and ethics all over the world. A nation that's respected all over the world for their achievements.

If you don't sacrifice you'll suffer endlessly. Haven't you suffered enough already under the rule of looters? Anyhow, you're right. Why should I be concerned about the well-being of my countrymen? These people choose their leaders. If they wish to be run by a bunch of bloodsuckers it's their choice. I don't respect their decision though. Only weak people chose to live under tyranny. Only feeble people don't rise up against injustice and claim their rights.

That's right! Freedom and prosperity don't come cheap. One has to fight for it in order to earn it. The people that sacrificed their precious lives during the partition were martyrs and due to their unimaginable sacrifices Pakistan today exists. Are you afraid of death? What could be more noble than to die for a cause that's invaluable. Do you wish that your upcoming generations live in the same conditions as you do today? Do you wish to see Pakistan prosper or remain in the turmoil it's today? You either live like a coward and accept oppression or stand up against it to restore justice. Sacrifice is the keyword!

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When I referred to "Capitalist China", I was referring to the changes from Mao to Zhu Enlai's deputy - Den Xiaoping policies. Where people were allowed to own assets such as gold for the first time. The chinese are not Capitalists in the western sense, but neither are they communists in the Soviet/cuban sense.

so Pakistan was taken over by crooks the moment Jinnah, died? didn't Jinnah leave Liaquat Ali Khan in charge? He was Jinnah's nominated sucessor, so surely then its all Jinnah's fault? This is ridiculous. When Liaquat Ali Khan died in 1951, previously the son of a nawab, he had practically nothing in his bank account left. They say he even had holes in his socks. To simply say all of our leaders are crooks shows total lack of Pakistani history. Please read some books before making such silly generalisations, though they are popular myths amongst the uninformed.

40 million people starving to death for lack of Food were not drug addicts, where on earth did you get such an idea? The drug addicts were executed (shot). The 40m died of starvation, because of the mess Mao's policies created. Mao was no saint, in his later years he had a fondness for young girls too. Look at his achievements yes, but also look at his faults too, that is my point.

I don't agree that Mao is solely responsible for most of China's success, but thats an argument for another day.

So we agree.

Stop being so microscopic. You know that when I referred to Quaid, I also meant all of his friends. Besides, Liaquat is one of the very few people Quaid left behind. However, Liaquat Ali Khan did indeed make some vital blunders such us pursuing close ties with the Brits and the US. He left a legacy of a US centric foreign policy. How can you in your sane mind even deny that Pakistan hasn't been ruled by 90% crooks apart from Quaid, Liaquat and to a certain extent Musharraf? You have lost your mind. You cannot defend 60 years of misery. What has Pakistan achieved for its people and the development of the country?

What you going on about? Are you now disputing that there weren't any opium addicts? I think you're a little confused. I have all along been referring to opium addicts and not people starving. Big deal! As if I claimed Mao to be a saint. No human is perfect. Heck, he may very well have indulged in bad practices. Please, stop focusing on tiny negative aspects of Mao. Look at the bigger picture. All I'm trying to point out is that he also did good things that have benefited China today in becoming a major power.

I strongly believe that Mao laid the foundations for a stronger China. We will argue about it perhaps in another topic...